I thought I’d share some of the comments made in the House of Commons debate (Wed 27th Feb 2013) on the bedroom tax or spare room subsidy if you prefer. I stress, this is only a snapshot of some of the debate. For more of the detail, you should go here to read the full transcript.
Although the undoubted star of the show is the Conservative MP for North East Somerset, Jacob Rees Mogg, we start here with an impassioned defence of the poor and vulnerable from Caroline Lucas from the Green Party. She was certainly not alone in raising these issues but she was one of the most effective.
“A constituent who is desperately worried about the bedroom tax came to my surgery last week. She shares custody of her daughter, so the room that she has for her daughter is seen as spare. She simply does not have the money to pay the tax being levied on her. In order to open Ministers’ eyes to the daily reality that some of my constituents face, I would like to read out a short amount of a testimony written by her. She says:”
“I have no more basics to cut back on. I go without meals. I cannot afford the bus, toiletries, a newspaper. I wear trousers most days as I cannot afford to replace my pair of tights should they get laddered. If I had not been able to overcome my pride and seek help I do not know how my family would survive. It was difficult to overcome the sense of shame I felt for needing to turn to charity for support in meeting the family’s most basic needs. I do voluntary work in the community myself. This did not match my own sense of who I am but it is my reality and has to be faced. I now see those others who also depend on the food banks and support from charities like the City Mission in a new light. I see their resilience and humanity. We are the same.”
Lucas goes on to say: “I was in tears by the end of my meeting with her.”
A host of Labour MP’s gave many examples of the individual circumstances of their constituents. Too many to mention here. Unfortunately this was not enough to sway some..
Jane Ellison (Conservative)
“My principal point is that these debates are not well served by exaggeration and shroud-waving, but I am afraid that that is what we have seen.”
This doesn’t go down well with those opposing the measures. There is a palpable sense of anger in the chamber. Later one Labour MP Andrew Gwynne tweeted this:
Votes against the unfair Tory #bedroomtax after a heated moment in HoC when I got told off for shouting at Minister who doesn’t understand!
Caroline Lucas fires back.
Caroline Lucas (Green Party)
“We are talking about real people in real homes who are feeling real desperation, and the criticism that we are somehow exaggerating the situation is an insult to those constituents who come to see us. Ministers are recklessly and deliberately ignoring the harsh reality for the majority of those surviving on benefits. They are deliberately pandering to media stereotypes. How convenient it is to say that it is all the fault of the workshy, swanning about with all that spare space—or so the mean and mistaken narrative goes.”
Conservatives realise they are on the back foot and many seek refuge in the well worn argument of Labour’s economic mismanagement and bringing down the deficit. However, some try to pass the changes off as a minor inconvenience.
Michael Ellis (Conservative)
“In many cases the sums involved would require only two hours of the minimum wage per week to make up the difference.”
This particular assertion has already been thoroughly debunked by Hilary Burkitt, the Head of Strategic Research at Affinity Sutton – A large UK housing provider. You can read about it here.
Now for the wonderfully closeted Mr Rees Mogg. Read it and weep.
Jacob Rees Mogg (Conservative)
“The Government’s position is also measured, because they have put in discretionary powers to look after people who will be in particularly difficult circumstances. Discretion is very important; the Government have got that spot on. If we were to say that every house that had been adapted in any way for a disabled person were to be exempt, we would find that a property with a little ramp, or one handrail, was suddenly exempt, and the whole policy would be removed. By applying discretion, however, we get the overwhelming majority of the benefit of the policy, without putting a heavy burden on that small number of people who genuinely ought to be exempt and protected.”
Not content with calling into question the integrity of disabled people, he moves on to foster carers;
“The same applies to the £5 million that has been made available to families who foster. If fostering had a general exemption, everybody in receipt of social housing benefit would suddenly go off to the council and say that they wanted to be on the fostering lists, so that they would not have to give up their extra bedroom, but would then refuse any child who was sent to them. If broad exemptions are used, people will try to fit the categories of exemption provided, whereas using discretion ensures that people must bring forward a reasonable case to encourage those who have the discretion to accept that they ought to be allowed to receive the extra funding to maintain their current position.”
Cynical stuff from Jacob.
“I think that people need to be able to take responsibility for themselves and to make choices for themselves. The choice they have is either to maintain the benefit they need for the housing they need, or to stay in housing where they have an extra room and adjust their behaviour accordingly. It is not for the state, putting its expenditure on the backs of hard-pressed taxpayers, to fund indefinitely people’s lifestyle choices, and it is a choice if people decide to have an extra room that they are not actually using; they can choose whether to move to a smaller property or, under this new policy, to find a way of getting the extra income they need.”
Lifestyle choices? I’m guessing Jacob has not met any of the people who will be affected by the policy. If he had, I’m sure his understanding of the challenges people face would have informed his ill chosen words in the debate.
Rather sinister is his next contribution. He evokes the spirit of another Conservative hawk.
“That flexibility is useful. It allows people to move to where there is employment. It is the essential part of ensuring that our economy has a free flow of labour around the country so that people can, in the words of Norman Tebbit, move to where the jobs are.”
Actually Norman Tebbit told unemployed people to ‘get on their bikes’. Is he really referring to this quote? Surely not. Otherwise it would be extremely insulting to people who are coping with a disability, caring for a loved one or are unable to relocate to another part of the country for good reason.
He ploughs on and finishes with a flourish.
“If we have an entirely static housing market we will find that we reduce employment opportunities, undermine growth in the economy, and, worst of all, create deep unfairness for people in large families who can find no social housing and put a burden on the backs of the poorest taxpayers. We should be proud of this Government—proud of a Lib Dem Minister, of all things—for doing what is right, what is noble and what is just.”
The most striking thing about the whole debate was that a LOT of Coalition MP’s left the chamber firmly believing the discretionary fund would neatly tidy up all the deserving cases. Edward Leigh seems genuinely concerned..
Mr Edward Leigh (Conservative)
“We need to publicise that more. A family came to see me recently in my surgery. The husband is profoundly deaf and his wife has an open permanent wound in her intestine, so they need separate bedrooms, but nobody told them the fund was available. They are therefore very worried. We need more education, so that disabled and vulnerable people are better informed about what is going on.”
And then to seal the deal, the minister weighs in with this.
Steve Webb (Liberal Democrat: The Minister of State, Department for Work and Pensions)
“I have been interviewed on various television programmes, which have featured case studies of people who were obviously distressed—and I do not doubt that some people are distressed by this change. Obviously, however, if they approached their local authority, they would not be affected by it. That is the issue. They would go to their local authority, which has been given money to help them; the authority would help them, so they would not be affected.”
In all my years working with vulnerable people and seeing how many hoops they have to jump through to claim discretionary payments, I think this assertion from Steve Webb that the discretionary payments will save the day seems to be more grounded in hope than reality. The official DWP guidance states that disabled people in adapted accommodation and foster carers will be given priority by local authorities. There’s no mention of the myriad of other types of cases we hear about. Steve Webb describes the DHP as if it will be a catch all. I seriously doubt that.
The coalition have demonstrated a wilful deafness despite the warnings from hundreds of Labour MP’s, local authorities, community groups, advice centres and charities about the sheer number of people this will affect. I fear the government may rue the day they chose to push through this legislation.
Did your MP vote to introduce the Bedroom Tax?
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